#14 Devon Zuegel: Building a People-First Town From Scratch with Esmeralda & Rethinking How We Live

Devon Zuegel is planning a bold, people-centered town from scratch. She has a background in software engineering and has worked at some of the big firms in Silicon Valley. She discovered a passion for urbanism and housing while living in San Francisco when she started looking into why there wasn’t more housing, and she draws a lot of inspiration from her childhood experiences at Chautauqua, a small town in Western New York. We discuss the need for more beautiful and community-oriented neighborhoods and the challenges of current housing policies and regulations. Devon also explains her vision for Esmeralda, a town that combines the principles of traditional neighborhood development (TND) and the community-oriented programming of Chautauqua. We explore the concept of experimentation and flexibility in urban planning and development, and brainstorm the importance of allowing for iteration and adaptation in building communities, the limitations of traditional planning processes and the need for more creative and responsive approaches. We talk about how the tech MVP model (Minimum Viable Product) can be applied to neighborhoods (Minimum Viable Place) through temporary structures, such as food trucks and airstreams, in testing ideas and activating spaces. While we discuss problems, it’s a fundamentally optimistic conversation! We discuss the need for individuals to take more agency and responsibility in shaping their built environment. Devon was an amazing guest, lot’s of energy, nuanced thinking and positive vibes–can’t wait for y'all to hear! 

  • 00:00 Introduction and Background
    07:12 The Need for Building Better Places
    11:52 Chautauqua: A Model for Community and Learning
    15:10 The Challenges of Building Beautiful and Functional Places
    24:35 Creating a New Town: The Vision for Esmeralda
    31:16 Building for the Long Term: Evolving and Adapting
    32:13 Challenges of Planning and Permission
    37:53 The Cost of Locking In Decisions
    42:48 The Negative Impact of Excessive Process
    47:10 The Importance of Truth and Being Wrong
    51:17 Hyper-Specialization and Loss of Agency
    01:01:09 Capital and the Vision for the New Town
    01:04:54 The Appeal of Esmeralda
    01:05:49 Back-Weighted Returns
    01:06:27 Investor Preferences
    01:07:41 The Long-Term Value of TNDs
    01:08:38 The Importance of Aligned Capital
    01:09:30 Appreciating Wealth and Capital
    01:09:59 The Impact of Wealthy Individuals
    01:11:42 The Zero-Sum Mindset
    01:13:16 The Infinite Potential of Wealth
    01:14:13 Creating Value and Making the Pie Bigger
    01:15:10 The Role of Wealth in Society
    01:17:19 Building Relationships and Community
    01:19:56 Funding through Pre-Sales
    01:22:03 The Inspiration behind Esmeralda's Name
    01:23:23 The Concept of Edge Esmeralda
    01:32:05 Podcast - Outro w Music.mp4 

  • Blog: https://devonzuegel.com/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/devonzuegel
    Summer Event: https://www.edgeesmeralda.com/

    Book: Invisible Cities

    Chautauqua: https://www.chq.org/ 

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